The 20 Million Candidates You’re Missing–Part 2

Last week, I began a discussion on the possibility of real estate companies focusing their recruiting efforts on the large demographic of young people who are either unemployed or underemployed.  

Underemployed At the end of the discussion, I posed the question of whether you, as a real estate owner or hiring manager, believe it is worth it to focus a significant portion of your recruiting effort on this group of candidates.  I received some great comments back. 

There seems to be a small group of our readers who are legitimately excited about engaging, hiring, training, and mentoring young people toward success.  However, there are many others who are not so hopeful.  I’ve heard many polite, but weak-hearted responses among many of the managers whom I’ve met with in-person over the last several months…typically along the lines of…”I see what you’re saying, Ben” or “That’s interesting information.”  But in their eyes, there is no passion toward truly pursuing these types of candidates.   

In an overarching sense, I suspect that this lack of passion is rooted in the resistance that every human being naturally feels toward change.  The specific reasons this particular change in hiring focus would not be good for your company or office probably varies significantly.  

Rather than trying to identify and address those underlying causes, I think it may be more helpful to address some of the common myths that exist regarding young candidates.  In doing so, I believe that some of the resistance that you feel may dissolve in the face of the potential and opportunity that young candidates bring to the table.

Myth #1:  Young people are not motivated.  If you flip through the channels during primetime, it does Unemployment2 seem that young people (especially young men) are often portrayed as unmotivated or focused on the wrong things.  Or maybe you know someone personally who has an adult child living at home, who spends way too much time playing video games and surfing the web.  Your concerns have some validity.

However, I encourage you to look at statistics that quantify the issue before you disregard this whole demographic slice of society.  Most economists agree that about 3% of the population is unemployable (i.e. they can’t keep a job) at any given time.  When I was in the military, we used to call these folks the “sick, lame, and lazy.”  This would amount to four to five million workers in the U.S. who are deemed “unemployable.”

Even if all 3% of these unemployables were in the above mentioned (young) group (and they’re not), 15 million employable candidates would remain in the pool.  Just selecting the most motivated 10% of this group, could replace the number of real estate agents 55 and older, three times over.  The numbers are simply too large to make the generalization that this whole demographic group is unmotivated.  There are several million young, educated, and motivated candidates who could not only do the job, but dwarf the motivation level of many of your current agents.  

Myth 2:  Young people have limited resources.  The most common complaint I hear from owners and hiring managers is that the candidates they are interviewing do not have the financial backing (start-up money, ability to go without income for awhile, etc.) to start a career in real estate.

The tendency is to focus on the individual candidate as we wring our hands over this problem:  If a candidate doesn’t have the financial ability to start a real estate career, disregard that person and find someone who does…  This is a great plan until you realize there is a very limited number of financially stable candidates available.  If you do happen to find one of these rare beings, you’ll quickly notice they have other options outside of real estate.  

I encourage you to take one step back.  While most everyone has financial challenges, who has the highest probability of solving their financial problems as they start a real estate business?  I would argue that it is young people, for the simple fact that they do not have the expenses and responsibilities of a middle-aged person.  If they are living with their parents–no spouse, no kids, and limited monthly expenses–it is much easier to survive a startup period.

In addition, an adult child living at home has a much better chance of overcoming the financial obstacles than someone on their own.  Why?  Quite often, these candidates have motivated parents.  Getting junior out of the house and established in a career of their own is not only a priority for many parents, it is quite often something they are willing to put some finances towards.

3.  Young people do not have a large enough network (sphere of influence) to be successful.  One of the comments I got back from a top performing hiring manager in one of the midwest markets sheds some light on this issue:

“I truly believe that this group of candidates has a lot to offer to our industry for a number of reasons.  [One of the important reasons is that] they are in the age group that has many friends of their own that will be entering the housing market, if not themselves, as well.”

Underemployed2 I once read that railroad executives of the late 19th century never imagined that that their competitors would one day be metal tubes that flew thousands of feet in the air, without the need for steel tracks and other infrastructure.  Nor did real estate agents, even 20 years ago, imagine that a person could sit in their house and have free access to hundreds of millions of other people both in their neighborhoods and around the world, through the internet and social networks.  What’s even more strange is that we call these people friends!

Here’s the point:  Young people develop and maintain relationships differently than the generation before them.  Although it may seem strange, many of them have access to huge networks, and they are just learning how to leverage those relationships for business purposes.  You’re going to need these individuals to help you transition into your own version of the airplane and tap the next generation of homeowners.

Are you ready to start engaging this new group of candidates?  You may need to dip your toe in slowly at first, but once you experience a few successes, I think you’ll be hooked.  Their energy, excitement, and hope for the future is contagious, and it’s just what the real estate industry needs. 


Editor’s Note:  This article was written by Ben Hess.  Ben is the Founding Partner and Managing Director of Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle.  Comments or questions are welcome.  If you’re an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email.  If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the “comments” link below.

The 20 Million Candidates You’re Missing

Starting in 1960, the U.S. Census Bureau began tracking a statistic called Household Formations.  If you're a real estate owner or manager who has the responsibility for replacing an aging workforce over the next five to ten years, it might be a metric you want to start noticing. New Candidate Pool

In a recent article in Business Week, economists reported a little bump in consumer spending they attribute to the fact that more adult children are moving out of their parents homes and starting households on their own.  This is not the only source of new household formations, but it traditionally accounts for the major trending in this statistic (divorce stats affect this metric as well).  If kids are getting out of college and obtaining well-paying jobs, they strike out on their own and set up households.  

In the last few years, the opposite has been true.  Business Week reports:

"About 20 million adult children in the U.S. live with their parents, and most are eager to move, says Peter Francese, a demographic analyst for advertising agency Ogilvy & Mather.  'Most guys who live at home beyond some young age walk around with a great big 'L' [for "loser"] on their forehead,' Francese says.  'As more young people feel they will be able to keep a job, bingo, they're gone.'

Next year, nearly 1 million new households will be created, UBS Securities (UBS) predicts, up from the 357,000 in the year ending March 2010, the lowest number for a 12-month period on record since the Census Bureau started tracking household starts in 1960.  U.S. household formation in the three years ending March 2010 was roughly 40 percent of the long-term average, or about 500,000 annually, according to Census data."

The article goes on to spout optimism about how this economic indicator is starting to fuel consumer spending; the average person spends $1,900 on consumer goods setting up their household.  Will this change spur economic growth?  I'm not sure–it may be best to just let the prognosticators debate that issue.  I'm more interested in the 19 million adult children who are stuck living with their parents because they can't find a job.  Let's take a closer look at this data.

New Household Graphs

As the graph to the left illustrates, the number of new households is quite low.  The IHS Global Insight researchers have estimated this trend will dramatically change in the next couple years.  Let's suppose this does happen (which I doubt it will).  If nine million new households are formed over the next five years, this only reduces the backlog to 11 million adult children living with their parents.

My calculation above also assumes that there will be no new people graduating from college and moving back in with their parents.  While it may be difficult to draw a line on where a college grad crosses from "underemployment" (they have a low paying job that does not match their degree) to "employment" (they have a job that pays enough for them to move out of their parents' house), I've tried to do my best to come up with an accurate number.  Here are two (1, 2) of several articles I've read on this topic.  

I think there will be about 700,000 new college grads entering into this unemployment/underemployment state each year, for the next few years.  Taking into account those who do not have degrees who also will be finding themselves in this state, the number of new adult children who move back in with their parents will be much higher.  By the way, the average person who is considered "underemployed" makes $400/week.

So, it's probably safe to say that the backlog of adult children who are living with their parents will not diminish quickly.  It is quite likely that this number will remain significantly above 10 million people for some time.

Here's a question for you:  Do you believe this large group of candidates could help solve the significant recruiting challenges that will face the real estate industry in the next five years?

You may comment confidentially by replying to workpuzzle@hiringcenter.net.  If you want to share your response with others, use the comment link on localhost/Mahesh/wordpress/.

In my next post, I'll discuss reader comments and provide some comments of my own. 


Editor's Note:  This article was written by Ben Hess.  Ben is the Founding Partner and Managing Director of Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle.  Comments or questions are welcome.  If you're an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email.  If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the "comments" link below.

The Answers to Some of the Weirdest Interview Questions

As a follow-up to my latest WorkPuzzle entry, I felt that I couldn't leave you hanging, and had to include some answers in this edition.

So, here are the answers to a few of the interview questions that I found particularly clever:

  1. If you were shrunk to the size of a pencil and put in a blender, how would you get out?  ANSWER:  If I was a pencil, I would not have a brain and therefore would not even be able to comprehend that I am in a blender, nor would I know that it is necessary to get out.
  2. How many ridges are there around the edge of a quarter?  ANSWER:  A U.S. quarter has 119 ridges (termed "reeds" by the U.S. Mint).
  3. How many basketballs can you fit in this room?  ANSWER:  One.  You did not ask what is the maximum number of basketballs you can fit in the room.
  4. Out of 25 horses, pick the fastest three horses.  In each race, only five horses can run at the same time.  What is the minimum number of races required?  ANSWER:  Without timing the races, the answer would be 12.  You could have the three fastest horses run in the same race, so you need to account for that possibility.  You run five races and keep the top three finishers in each race.  You are left with 15 horses.  You run three more races and keep the top three finishers, leaving you with nine horses.  Two more races leaves you with six horses.  Take the last place finishers in each of the last two races and have them race.  The winner of this gets placed into the final race with five horses.
  5. Given the numbers 1 to 1,000, what is the minimum number of guesses needed to find a specific number if you are given the hint “higher” or “lower” for each guess you make?  ANSWER:  The minimum number is 1.  You can guess it correctly the first time, or guess 2 or 999 and get it with a higher or lower hint.  So you have 3 possibilities of getting the correct answer with one guess.
  6. An apple costs 20 cents, an orange costs 40 cents, and a grapefruit costs 60 cents.  How much is a pear?  ANSWER:  Due to the fact that this question is read to you, you could answer:  A 'pair' of apples would cost 40 cents, a pair of oranges would be 80 cents, and pair of grapefruit would cost $1.20.
  7. You are in a dark room with no light.  You have 19 gray socks and 25 black socks.  What are the chances you will get a matching pair?  Answer:  If there were an equal number of gray and black, the answer would be .5 or 50%.  As there are six extra black socks, three pairs will have 100% match.  Thus, the answer should be 50% ++ as follows:  = {19 pairs x (50% chances) + 3 pairs x (100% chances)} / 21 Total Pairs = (900+300)/21= 1200 / 21= 57.14% chances.
  8. What do wood and alcohol have in common?  Answer:  Each word contains two o's.
  9. You have eight pennies.  Seven weigh the same, but one weighs less.  You also have a judge's scale.  Find the penny that weighs less in three steps.  ANSWER:  Split into two piles of four and compare the weights of the two piles.  Take the lighter pile and split that into two piles of two and compare the weights.  Take the lighter pair of pennies and compare the weights of them.
  10. What’s the square root of 2000?  ANSWER:  44.72135954
  11. How are M&Ms made?  Answer:  M&M's have two main components (1) hardened liquid chocolate and (2) hard candy shell.  Liquid chocolate is poured into molds and then harden.  The hard candy shell is formed by spraying on layers, each of which is allowed to dry.  The color is added to the final coat.  Each batch is a different color. Which switch...

We at Tidemark had some fun with these.  So here is one more that one of our team member's spouse was asked during his Microsoft interview several years ago:

If there were three light bulbs upstairs that were each operated by three switches downstairs, how could you determine which switch operated each light, and only take one trip upstairs?

There is a solution to this scenario.  Please feel free to share your anwers…


Editor's Note: This article was written by Dr. David Mashburn. Dave is a Clinical and Consulting Psychologist, a Partner at Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle. Comments or questions are welcome. If you're an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email. If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the "comments" link below.

The 25 Weirdest Interview Questions

How about some light reading today?

Since one of our secondary goals is to help managers interview candidates better, I thought I'd share what I highly recommend you NOT do during interviews:  Ask ridiculous questions! Ironically, this is exactly what some of the most prestigious companies do.  But, keep in mind…they can get away with it!  Candidates are lining up to get into some of these companies, which are arrogant enough to ask some pretty strange questions.  It's almost seen as an initiation or hazing.Huh?

I found these questions on a site developed by a company called Glass Door.  This company helps job candidates take a peek into their prospective employer's interview process through the help of past interviewees posting their interview questions on the site.

Here are some of the strangest interview questions encountered over the last year:

  1. If you were shrunk to the size of a pencil and put in a blender, how would you get out?
  2. How many ridges are there around a quarter? (Reportedly from Deloitte)
  3. What is the philosophy of martial arts? (A spokesperson for Aflac, where this question was used, says she hopes the candidate quoted Kwai Chang Caine from the 1970s TV show Kung Fu: “I seek not to know the answers, but to understand the questions.”)
  4. Explain to me what has happened in this country during the last ten years. (Reportedly from Boston Consulting)
  5. Rate yourself on a scale of one to ten…how weird are you? (Reportedly from Capital One)
  6. How many basketballs can you fit in this room? (Reportedly from Google)
  7. Out of 25 horses, pick the fastest three horses.  In each race, only five horses can run at the same time.  What is the minimum number of races required? (Reportedly from Bloomberg LP)
  8. If you could be any superhero, who would it be? (Reportedly from AT&T)
  9. You have a birthday cake and have exactly three slices to cut it into eight equal pieces, how do you do it? (Reportedly from Blackrock Portfolio Management)
  10. Given the numbers 1 to 1000, what is the minimum number of guesses needed to find a specific number if you are given the hint “higher” or “lower” for each guess you make? (Reportedly from Facebook)
  11. If you had 5,623 participants in a tournament, how many games would need to be played to determine the winner? (Reportedly from Amazon)
  12. An apple costs 20 cents, an orange costs 40 cents, and a grapefruit costs 60 cents.  How much is a pear? (Reportedly from Epic Systems)
  13. There are three boxes: One contains only apples, one contains only oranges, and one contains both apples and oranges.  The boxes have been incorrectly labeled such that no label identifies the actual contents of its box.  Opening just one box, and without looking in the box, you take out one piece of fruit.  By looking at the fruit, how can you immediately label all of the boxes correctly? (Reportedly from Apple)
  14. How many traffic lights are in Manhattan? (Reportedly from Argus Information and Advisory Services)
  15. You are in a dark room with no light.  You have 19 gray socks and 25 black socks.  What are the chances you will get a matching pair? (Reportedly from Convergex)
  16. What do wood and alcohol have in common? (Reportedly from Guardsmark)
  17. How do you weigh an elephant without using a weighing machine? (Reportedly from IBM)
  18. You have eight pennies.  Seven weigh the same, but one weighs less.  You also have a judge's scale.  Find the penny that weighs less in three steps. (Reportedly from Intel)
  19. Why do you think only a small portion of the population makes over $150,000? (Reportedly from New York Life)
  20. You are in charge of 20 people.  Organize them to figure out how many bicycles were sold in your area last year. (Reportedly from Schlumberger)
  21. How many bottles of beer are [consumed] in the city [in a] week? (Reportedly from Nielsen)
  22. What’s the square root of 2000? (Reportedly from UBS)
  23. A train leaves San Antonio for Houston at 60 mph.  Another train leaves Houston for San Antonio at 80 mph.  Houston and San Antonio are 300 miles apart.  If a bird leaves San Antonio at 100 mph, and turns around and flies back once it reaches the Houston train, and continues to fly between the two, how far will it have flown when they collide? (Reportedly from USAA)
  24. How are M&Ms made? (Reportedly from US Bank)
  25. What would you do if you just inherited a pizzeria from your Uncle? (This question comes from Volkswagen)

How did you do? In the next edition, I'll share the answers to some of these questions.


Editor's Note: This article was written by Dr. David Mashburn. Dave is a Clinical and Consulting Psychologist, a Partner at Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle. Comments or questions are welcome. If you're an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email. If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the "comments" link below.

Experienced Agent Recruiting: Turning a Failure Into a Success, Part 3

Hopefully, you’ve had the opportunity to read the previous WorkPuzzle posts (1, 2) on the prospect of recruiting your competitors’ failures.  Engaging individuals who have recently failed with the hopes of turning them into successes within your company, is a risk that should be considered carefully.

If you decide to go down this path, it is critical that you learn everything possible about the nature of failure.  More specifically, if you are able to distinguish a good failure (someone who will use a recent failure as a learning experience and springboard to their next success) from a bad failure (someone whose recent failure is the start or continuation of a professional tailspin), you can lower your risk of making a bad investment.  There are still no guarantees, but it is helpful to get on the right side of the odds and make sure the data is stacked in your favor.

One data point you’ll want to pay particular attention to is the character trait of resilience.  In a recent article published in Harvard Business Review, Dr. Martin Seligman, the proverbial father of positive psychology, makes the following declaration: 

“Thirty years of scientific research has put the answers to [the questions of why people fail] within our reach.  We have learned not only how to distinguish those who will grow after failure from those who will collapse, but also how to build the skills of the people in the latter category.”

The article goes on to describe the details of a multi-million dollar research project being conducted for the United States Army on the topic of teaching people resilience.  While the verdict is still out on whether the trait of resilience can be successfully taught (he overstates the reality of the situation in his statement above), the “distinguishing who will grow after failure” part of the research is quite definitive.  Those who possess the trait of resilience, sooner or later, turn their failures into successes. 

But, how do you tell if someone is resilient if this is his/her first professional failure?  Or, if you’re in a casual conversation with someone who you could possibly recruit, how do get the person to reveal enough of their work history to detect a pattern of resilience?  In both cases, you probably can’t collect enough information to make a determination.

Thankfully, Dr. Seligman and his researchers are going to help us out.  One trait that seems to be strongly connected to resilience is optimism.  In simple terms, optimistic people tend to be resilient.  Here’s what the research revealed:

“We developed questionnaires and analyzed the content of verbatim speech and writing to assess 'explanatory style' as optimistic or pessimistic.  We discovered that people who don’t give up have a habit of interpreting setbacks as temporary, local, and changeable. (‘It’s going away quickly; it’s just this one situation, and I can do something about it.’)”

Now, optimism is something that you can detect in a casual conversation.  Since optimism and resilience are closely linked, this is the path to not only pursuing the right types of candidates, but also opening the doors in conversation that will help you learn about a person’s propensity to display resilience.

If you start a conversation with someone who is failing in his/her current role as a real estate agent and that person displays a lot of pessimism during the discussion, you probably want to back off right away and focus your efforts on someone else.

However, if a similar scenario results in you finding someone who displays a lot of optimism during an initial discussion, it might be natural to say something like this: “Wow, you seem to be a very optimistic person in spite of some really challenging things going on in your life right now.  Did you learn to be that way from some of your past experiences, or do you think that just comes naturally?”   

This type of open-ended question will naturally lead to someone sharing their past experiences.  Once you get this conversation going, look for the track record of overcoming difficult circumstances.  These are the good failures you potentially want on your team.


Editor's Note:  This article was written by Ben Hess.  Ben is the Founding Partner and Managing Director of Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle.  Comments or questions are welcome.  If you're an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email.  If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the "comments" link below.

Experienced Agent Recruiting: Turning a Failure Into a Success Part 2

Last week, I began a discussion regarding the emphasis that many real estate companies place on experienced agent recruiting.  There is a natural frustration that always surrounds this topic due to the underlying demographics that characterize the issue.  
 
From failure to success... In short, companies currently compete for a very small pool of viable experienced agent candidates (i.e. those agents who are productive, but haven't yet crossed over into the realm of being high performers).  I believe this “productive but not prima donna” group makes up about 20% of the recruiting market of experienced agents. 
 
I made the suggestion that opening up the recruiting aperture to consider agents who are low performers in other companies, may be worth considering.  In a typical real estate company, this category of agents account for 40% to 60% of the agent population.  This amounts to a lot of candidates, who are more accessible than their more commonly pursued counterparts.
 
Before you jump into this new utopia of experienced agent recruiting with both feet, here is a disclaimer:  

Hiring failures is a risky proposition.  

In many cases, engaging these low-performing agents can quickly turn into a waste of time.  Or worse yet, the potential is there to waste resources and drag down your own productive agents if these folks fail in your company.  So, tread down this path with care and a healthy dose of cynicism.  If you believe you can save every poor performer that your competitor has created, you’re in for a big disappointment.
 
But, you may be able to save a small percentage…and a small percentage of a larger number can result in incremental recruiting successes that are worth pursuing.
 
If you decide to take on this challenge, I have an assignment for you:  You need to become a student of failure.  That’s right.  You need to become proficient at understanding why people fail. 
 
I know many of you have a bookshelf full of books on success.  But, have you ever spent time learning about failure?  A great place to start your education would be the April 2011 issue of Harvard Business Review.  In this publication, there are nine full-length articles, and seven short bios on the topic of failure.  The write-ups cover more than 60 pages ( yes, that’s 60 pages of small type).  There is a surprising amount of research that has been conducted on the topic of failure, and there is much to learn.
 
One article that I found particularly interesting highlighted the concept that not all failures are created equal—there are good failures and there are bad failures.  Being able to differentiate one from the other can be very helpful if you’re trying to figure out whom to engage in your newly expanded candidate search.
 
To document this phenomenon, HBR created a “Spectrum of Reasons for Failure.”  At one end of the spectrum, there are blameworthy failures (bad failures) and on the other end are praiseworthy failures (good failures).  Here is the list from bad to good:

  • Deviance:  An individual chooses to violate a prescribed process or practice.
  • Inattention:  An individual inadvertently deviates from prescribed specifications.
  • Lack of Ability:  The individual does not have the skills, conditions, or training to execute the job.
  • Process Inadequacy:  A competent individual adheres to a prescribed, but faulty or incomplete process.
  • Task Challenge:  An individual faces a task too difficult to be executed reliably every time.
  • Process Complexity:  A process composed of many elements breaks down when it encounters novel interactions.
  • Uncertainty:  A lack of clarity about future events causes people to take seemly reasonable actions that produce undesired results.
  • Hypothesis Testing:  An experiment conducted to prove that an idea or a design will succeed, fails.
  • Exploratory Testing:  An experiment conducted to expand knowledge and investigate a possibility, leads to an undesired result.

Let’s suppose that you have the opportunity to engage one of your competitor’s agents who falls into the 40% to 60% of underperformers.  In striking up a discussion concerning “how business is going,” it would be natural to ask something like:  “Do you feel you’re meeting the original goals that you had when you decided to get into real estate?”    
 
And then as you listen to the answer and ask more open-ended questions, eventually get to the question:  “Why do you feel you have not been able to meet your goals?”  And then listen.  This is not the time to recruit and sell.  This is the time to collect information and make a determination if this person is experiencing a praiseworthy failure or a blameworthy failure.  Match the answers to the list above (after you wrap up the conversation) and then make a determination of whether this is someone worth pursuing.
 
In my next WorkPuzzle entry, I will reveal the one common trait that researchers claim is shared among those who are successful at turning failure into success.  If your candidate is lacking this trait, it’s a huge red flag!  Stay tuned…

 


 

Editor's Note:  This article was written by Ben Hess.  Ben is the Founding Partner and Managing Director of Tidemark, Inc. and a regular contributor to WorkPuzzle.  Comments or questions are welcome.  If you're an email subscriber, reply to this WorkPuzzle email.  If you read the blog directly from the web, you can click the "comments" link below.